Comments on: David Brooks: China Collectivism trumps US Individualism http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/ Social Media in China and across Asia Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Evikeleincern http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-8953 Evikeleincern Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:01:42 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-8953 Was ist das? Was ist das?

]]> By: Abraham Maki http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-8710 Abraham Maki Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:39:00 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-8710 this is an awsome blog this is an awsome blog

]]> By: Grace http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-8562 Grace Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-8562 really interesting studies.. :) really interesting studies.. :)

]]> By: Grace http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9140 Grace Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9140 really interesting studies.. :) really interesting studies.. :)

]]> By: Grace http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9178 Grace Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9178 really interesting studies.. :) really interesting studies.. :)

]]> By: Grace http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9180 Grace Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9180 really interesting studies.. :) really interesting studies.. :)

]]> By: Grace http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-14581 Grace Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-14581 really interesting studies.. :) really interesting studies.. :)

]]> By: Original London Tour http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-8432 Original London Tour Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-8432 Really interesting article... I like the debate. Really interesting article… I like the debate.

]]> By: Original London Tour http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9141 Original London Tour Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9141 Really interesting article... I like the debate. Really interesting article… I like the debate.

]]> By: Original London Tour http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9179 Original London Tour Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9179 Really interesting article... I like the debate. Really interesting article… I like the debate.

]]> By: Original London Tour http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-9181 Original London Tour Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-9181 Really interesting article... I like the debate. Really interesting article… I like the debate.

]]> By: Original London Tour http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-14582 Original London Tour Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-14582 Really interesting article... I like the debate. Really interesting article… I like the debate.

]]> By: William http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-7204 William Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:01:54 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-7204 Regardless of the impressiveness of a state driven opening ceremony (prettied up by the expulsion of all 'unwanted persons' from the olympic area), the important thing is to remember that collectivism is amoral in that it denies the individual his/her right to life. Without protection of individual property rights there is no individual right to life. This is the SAME morality of the savage tribe that sacrifices the virgin to 'the gods' for a good harvest for the tribe. The moral improvement came when a group of political thinkers attempted to protect the individual's right to life from other men, the government, and 'society' as a whole. *That* was the USA. Sadly, we see the moral savagery of collectivism poisoning our country more and more. In the end, collectivism always means that the lives and efforts of some men are forfeit to other men. Men and women are NOT means, and to treat them as such is evil. This is not altered by a pretty show put on by what is still a savage tribe of slaves. Regardless of the impressiveness of a state driven opening ceremony (prettied up by the expulsion of all ‘unwanted persons’ from the olympic area), the important thing is to remember that collectivism is amoral in that it denies the individual his/her right to life. Without protection of individual property rights there is no individual right to life. This is the SAME morality of the savage tribe that sacrifices the virgin to ‘the gods’ for a good harvest for the tribe. The moral improvement came when a group of political thinkers attempted to protect the individual’s right to life from other men, the government, and ‘society’ as a whole. *That* was the USA. Sadly, we see the moral savagery of collectivism poisoning our country more and more. In the end, collectivism always means that the lives and efforts of some men are forfeit to other men. Men and women are NOT means, and to treat them as such is evil. This is not altered by a pretty show put on by what is still a savage tribe of slaves.

]]> By: mark simon http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4766 mark simon Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:51:15 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4766 Brooks is out here again, speaking today in Hong Kong to Asia Society. Would be nice to know who is paying for the trip. If it is on the dime of Asia Society, which is run by pro-china money. You don't get the free ride out unless you carry their water. -- -- The real story is another Westerner coming out, getting stroked by the Chinese, and see's all the good in China and all the bad in the West? -- Notice how China wins all the medals that are not "free market" based, in other words sports commies excel with. Good on some of their athletes for some wins. But look at that girls gymnastics team... 16???? Then look at the defense the Chinese are putting up Brooks is out here again, speaking today in Hong Kong to Asia Society. Would be nice to know who is paying for the trip. If it is on the dime of Asia Society, which is run by pro-china money. You don’t get the free ride out unless you carry their water.
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The real story is another Westerner coming out, getting stroked by the Chinese, and see’s all the good in China and all the bad in the West?
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Notice how China wins all the medals that are not “free market” based, in other words sports commies excel with. Good on some of their athletes for some wins. But look at that girls gymnastics team… 16???? Then look at the defense the Chinese are putting up

]]> By: zhwj http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4613 zhwj Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:19:35 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4613 Language Log pretty much demolishes the fishtank and cow/hay studies <a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=478" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Language Log pretty much demolishes the fishtank and cow/hay studies here.

]]> By: Debbie Weil http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4610 Debbie Weil Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:30:03 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4610 I read David Brooks' column as being a deliberate oversimplification -- but intriguing nonetheless. It made me think about the excitement in the U.S. and the Western world about what's new in Web 2.0: collaboration! community! the power of the group! Not really so new, is it? I read David Brooks’ column as being a deliberate oversimplification — but intriguing nonetheless.

It made me think about the excitement in the U.S. and the Western world about what’s new in Web 2.0: collaboration! community! the power of the group!

Not really so new, is it?

]]> By: Michael Netzley, CommunicateAsia, corporate communication, Asia, Web 2.0 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4601 Michael Netzley, CommunicateAsia, corporate communication, Asia, Web 2.0 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:44:50 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4601 [...] you want to see a few other posts about this exchange, then here are some useful links.  Thomas Crampton has provided links to some useful studies and books while Will over at Imagethief as always has [...] [...] you want to see a few other posts about this exchange, then here are some useful links.  Thomas Crampton has provided links to some useful studies and books while Will over at Imagethief as always has [...]

]]> By: David http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4560 David Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:02:12 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4560 It all sounds deterministic, reeking of prior works ranging from "The Bell Curve" to Mills' "The Power Elite." One fallacy is the implicit assumption that Chinese social characteristics aren't undergoing huge change as they respond to outside influences. Another is that all Asians - or even Chinese - are alike, when in truth this is the most culturally diverse region on the planet. Finally, you could make corresponding arguments for the virtues of individualistic cultures. Silicon Valley, anyone? It all sounds deterministic, reeking of prior works ranging from “The Bell Curve” to Mills’ “The Power Elite.” One fallacy is the implicit assumption that Chinese social characteristics aren’t undergoing huge change as they respond to outside influences. Another is that all Asians – or even Chinese – are alike, when in truth this is the most culturally diverse region on the planet. Finally, you could make corresponding arguments for the virtues of individualistic cultures. Silicon Valley, anyone?

]]> By: Yannick http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-china-collectivism-trumps-us-individualism/comment-page-1/#comment-4559 Yannick Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:05:59 +0000 http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/david-brooks-chinas-collectivism-vs-usas-individualism/#comment-4559 Well, i sure like that final jab, at least! But I would target it at Singapore instead, since they actually _achieved_ that state... Well, i sure like that final jab, at least! But I would target it at Singapore instead, since they actually _achieved_ that state…

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